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Post by SAT-I need more room!! on Apr 16, 2004 11:35:13 GMT -5
My one cousin is totally into hard rock. There is very little mellow stuff he likes. Cat Stevens, Blondie, a few others. Likes Metallica, Down, Sabbath, etc. (Forget he's almost 40).
Anyway, his younger brother (by 2 years) has been getting into country. He has been ripping into him. He says that Rap is better country. (He also said he'd rather hear him say that he was gay than he listened to country, but I won't go there).
For me, there is no contest. (And this is not for just modern country and rap. I mean ALL country vs ALL rap)
I tried pointing out that country is not much different from rockabilly which was a major starting point for rock-n-roll with Elvis, Jerry Lee, Carl Perkins, etc. I also pointed out how so much of country sounds like Skynyrd, Allmans, Eagles, etc. (His response-"Ah, that's southern rock")
The arguement bould be made that Rap came out of funk, which came from R&B which came from the blues, as did rock-n-roll. But I think there is a much closer connection with country than rap to rock-n-roll.
What do you think?
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Post by Dawn on Apr 16, 2004 11:56:35 GMT -5
I would agree with you on this. While both the country and rap genres have common roots with rock-n-roll, I think that rap has gotten much further away from that shared origin in terms of musical style, arrangement, lyrics, and so forth. Southern rock to me is really a blend of country and rock - stylistically, many of those artists aren't that different from country artists such as Alabama.
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Post by lora on Apr 16, 2004 12:55:57 GMT -5
Dawn worded her opinion on this really well and I'm not so articulate when it comes to stuff like this. I do agree with you. Country is WAY closer to rock as far as roots go. Rap is just speaking in rhythm with loud drums behind you. It's music without talent, for the most part. Now I'm not as adamant about this as some people are, I know. For example, there are some people on this board that despise rap. There is some of it that I like, so I'm not going to full-on diss it. But, generally, as far as genres go, it's close to the bottom of my list. And for your cousin to judge his brother's music like that is incredibly immature. If you don't like the same type of music, that's fine. He should be able to get over it. What he said about he'd rather his brother be gay is also immature. It's rude and chauvanistic. You would think a 40-year-old would know better than to act like that.
For me, there's no contest either. Country all the way.
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Post by djdave on Apr 17, 2004 21:42:32 GMT -5
On the whole, country definitely has closer ties to rock and roll, but don't tell that to 30-something snobs connected to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame--what do they KNOW!!?! For a while, especially from 1985-1994, I definitely liked rap more, when it was SENSIBLE without "gangsta" mentality. Sure it sounded more cheesy, but at least it sounded BETTER IMHO.
Though I'm not much into post 1984-country, on the whole--country is more true to rock-n-roll, especially the early stuff like Elvis.
I can think of only a couple former YLers (one who was even on the Click last year) that could argue with me.
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Post by SAT-I need more room!! on Apr 19, 2004 11:12:49 GMT -5
I would agree with you on this. While both the country and rap genres have common roots with rock-n-roll, I think that rap has gotten much further away from that shared origin in terms of musical style, arrangement, lyrics, and so forth. Southern rock to me is really a blend of country and rock - stylistically, many of those artists aren't that different from country artists such as Alabama. You are so right-Alabama is just a more mellow version of bands like Skynyrd and 38 Special. |
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Post by SAT-I need more room!! on Apr 19, 2004 11:27:26 GMT -5
Dawn worded her opinion on this really well and I'm not so articulate when it comes to stuff like this. I do agree with you. Country is WAY closer to rock as far as roots go. Rap is just speaking in rhythm with loud drums behind you. It's music without talent, for the most part. Now I'm not as adamant about this as some people are, I know. For example, there are some people on this board that despise rap. There is some of it that I like, so I'm not going to full-on diss it. But, generally, as far as genres go, it's close to the bottom of my list. And for your cousin to judge his brother's music like that is incredibly immature. If you don't like the same type of music, that's fine. He should be able to get over it. What he said about he'd rather his brother be gay is also immature. It's rude and chauvanistic. You would think a 40-year-old would know better than to act like that. For me, there's no contest either. Country all the way. Well my cousin is a big dork. I thought by 40 your main interest would not still be heavy metal and ONLY that, but apparently.... |
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Post by Ken on Apr 19, 2004 14:58:42 GMT -5
I have a very hard time listening to rap( 1- 5 seconds is enough LOL) to me it's just not music - there 's no melody whatsoever just alot of bass and did you notice alot of it always has one guy in the background repeating a word or phrase over and over ad nauseum ? this is artistic?
To me alot of today's country reminds me of some rock music of the 70's having that Skynyrd / Doobies kind of groove.
Country seems to be crossing over more and more these days mixing with pop and rock.
I would much rather(there's no question about it) listen to Country than Rap any day of the week.
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Post by SAT-I need more room!! on Apr 19, 2004 16:08:26 GMT -5
On the whole, country definitely has closer ties to rock and roll, but don't tell that to 30-something snobs connected to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame--what do they KNOW!!?! For a while, especially from 1985-1994, I definitely liked rap more, when it was SENSIBLE without "gangsta" mentality. Sure it sounded more cheesy, but at least it sounded BETTER IMHO. Though I'm not much into post 1984-country, on the whole--country is more true to rock-n-roll, especially the early stuff like Elvis. I can think of only a couple former YLers (one who was even on the Click last year) that could argue with me. I'll go along with you that earlier rap was better than today. It was closer to funk and didn't repeat the same lines over and over again. |
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Post by lora on Apr 20, 2004 8:21:00 GMT -5
Well my cousin is a big dork. I thought by 40 your main interest would not still be heavy metal and ONLY that, but apparently.... ...apparently you can be close-minded and judgmental at any age? |
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Post by Pete70s on Apr 20, 2004 19:35:56 GMT -5
Well, I've tried THREE times to come up with a good response to this, but each time it turned into a forum for my own personal opinion. So I'm not going to offer comment. I just can't do it without going into my reasons for disliking rap and (modern) country, which have nothing to do with the question asked.
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Post by SAT-I need more room!! on Apr 20, 2004 19:46:29 GMT -5
Well, I've tried THREE times to come up with a good response to this, but each time it turned into a forum for my own personal opinion. So I'm not going to offer comment. I just can't do it without going into my reasons for disliking rap and (modern) country, which have nothing to do with the question asked. If you are worried about offending anyone, I for one will not be offended! I'd like to hear what you don't like about country, and I won't offer a counter argument, you have my word!  |
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Post by Pete70s on Apr 20, 2004 20:02:49 GMT -5
If you are worried about offending anyone, I for one will not be offended! I'd like to hear what you don't like about country, and I won't offer a counter argument, you have my word! :) No, it's not that.. (Being PC is never a concern of mine). It's more that I can't come up with an insightful response without going into my "rap sucks" mode.. As far as country, most of today's country is just too "sterile", and family oriented for me. Most of the people I know who are fans of modern country music are married people my age who drive SUV's, have kids and whose lives revolve around church bakesales and PTA meetings.. I can't relate to that lifestyle any more than I can relate to "gangsta life in tha hood", so I just don't get into it. Not to say modern country is bad music, it just doesn't have enough "attitude" for me.. I do, however, love the bad-ass attitude of classic country like Waylon and Willie, which makes my dislike for rap make absolutely no sense, since rap is all about being a bad-ass.... I guess I'm just an old rock 'n roll guy who won't grow up..... |
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Post by SAT-I need more room!! on Apr 20, 2004 20:06:57 GMT -5
As far as country, most of today's country is just too "sterile", and family oriented for me. Most of the people I know who are fans of modern country music are married people my age who drive SUV's, have kids and whose lives revolve around church bakesales and PTA meetings.. I do, however, love the bad-ass attitude of classic country like Waylon and Willie, which makes my dislike for rap make absolutely no sense, since rap is all about being a bad-ass.... I guess I'm just an old rock 'n roll guy who won't grow up..... Well that's me-I'm about your age, I have an SUV and kids! No bake sales yet though! LMAO!!! No, I completely understand what you are saying! It's the same thing with me understanding my buddies who want to go out bar hopping when I just want to hang out at home. Just two different lifestyles. And you certainly like a cool section of country music! So back to the original question, wouldn't you say Waylon and Willie are closer tied to rock and it's roots than Jay Z or 50 Cent? Hell, even James Hetfield did a song on the Waylon tribute album! |
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Post by Pete70s on Apr 20, 2004 20:17:17 GMT -5
And you certainly like a cool section of country music! So back to the original question, wouldn't you say Waylon and Willie are closer tied to rock and it's roots than Jay Z or 50 Cent? I think a lot of my problem comes from bitterness, because I WANT to be married and all that.. Just haven't found the right person yet. But I realized recently that I was just not cut-out for a "normal" life... There's just too many things I need to accomplish first, and I'm WAY too free-spirited. As far as Waylon and Willie go, absolutely! Jay Z and 50 cent know as much about rock n' roll as I do about Gamelan ensembles in Indonesia! Right now I'm hearing "Luckenback Texas" in my head, I'll have to dig out the Waylon when I get home...#nosmileys |
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Post by H2IZCOOL on Apr 20, 2004 21:11:24 GMT -5
Ok... let me add my 2 cents. First of all, just because your cousin is 40, Adam, doesn't mean he can't like hard rock/metal exclusively. It's not an age thing. - unless you're taking about nursery rhymes. Now: Rap vs. Country. Let's start with Country: Country is a type of American folk music. It is closely allied with rock as well. It is one of the founding genres that led to rock (R&B and jazz being the others). I have never been a big fan of old "shitkickin'" country music. I like a lot of country rock, and the boundaries between country and rock are getting dimmer all the time, and my appreciation of country music is growing. Now Rap: I remember when The Click was very young, there was a post where someone asked about peples opinion of Rap. I remember answering that post, and I just did a search for it and actually found it. It was a response to a question posed by Beatles4ever on the Opinions Board. You'll note the date was May 11 2003. The Click was two days old. Here is my post. OK. I'm going to try to be kind here. #1 I can't stand Rap either #2 Some rap is poetic. Even if you don't like the subject matter, the way the words are put together are quite clever. Very nice combinations of rhyme and meter. #3 Robert Frost, Carl Sandburg, Emily D-I-C-K inson, (I had to modify this,it was trying to write Thingyinson) etc. used very nice combinations of rhyme and meter to construct their poetry. No one ever said that Frost and the others were writing music. They were writing poetry. Put a beat to it -- it's still not music -- it's poetry. #4 In the 50s the "beatniks" often recited poetry -- sometimes even with a beat and an instrumental background -- at coffee houses. People called it poetry -- maybe bad poetry -- but poetry none the less. NOBODY CALLED IT MUSIC!!#5 Rap is more similar in style to 50s Beatnik poetry than it is to anything else. We've already established that 50s beatnik poetry was not music. So how on earth can rap be considered music?? $6 And besides all that RAP SUX!!!!!BTW, I feel the same today. Hey - and notice the censor was active back then!  |
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