25 Acts That Should be in the Hall (from Goldmine)

[SAT-I need more room!!]

I back ordered an issue of Goldmine from February 11, 2000 that listed 25 artists that should be in the Hall.

In the 4 years since, 5 acts have gone in! Pretty good!

Thought I'd share the list here and my thoughts. So this is a sort of a Music Discussion.

*NOTE* I am not listing other acts that I think should be in-that will be a separate post tomorrow.


1. America-I'd love it, but I don't see it happening. People accuse them of being a CSNY rip off.

2. Blood, Sweat & Tears-Again, I don't see it. Once Al Kooper left, I think they lost respect.

3. Chicago-Well we all know this one. Probably only the Moodies deserve it more.

4. Dave Clark Five-I think the argument is they wrote pop ditties that didn't say much. But there were many who thought they would give the Beatles a run for their money at first!

5. Neil Diamond-I'm not a big fan, so I'm not one to ask. Maybe as a writer??

6. Donovan-I said this years ago. I realize he's not respected like say, Van Morrison, but he had a good string of unique psychedelic hits.

7. ELO-I'd love it. I think they deserve it. The argument would probably that they played "too much".

8. Guess Who-I think there is whole websites dedicated to getting them in. Probably even more up by you Ken.

9. Hall & Oates-They may do it. The number one duo in rock.

10. Jay & the Americans-They may go in late, like similar artists, like Gene Pitney.

11. Brenda Lee-Has since gone in.

12. Lovin' Spoonful-Has since gone in, I believe the first of the 5 on here.

13. Moody Blues-The article simply says, "Everyone but the Hall's electors seem to realize The Moody Blues should be inducted." That says it all.

14. Gene Pitney-Has since gone in.

15. Paul Revere & the Raiders-I said they should go in awhile ago. But their comedy may keep them out.

16. Righteous Brothers-They have since (FINALLY) gone in.

17. Johnny Rivers-Lots of people clammoring for him too. His covers may keep him out.

18. Linda Ronstadt-See Johnny Rivers. Wonderful voice though.

19. Todd Rundgren-I think the respect for him is more for his work with others.

20. Jack Scott-It said he was the inspiration for the article. I have never heard of him-never even seen his name before!!

21. Searchers-A good argument could be made for them, but not before the DC5.

22. Bob Seger-Just went in.

23. Ventures-Sure, talented musicians.

24. Dionne Warwick-The guy called this "the ultimate exclusion". Ok, she had lots of hits, but come on! There are way more to go in before her!

25. Mary Wells-I only know the one hit.



So what do you think?

[H2IZCOOL]

Great post, Adam!

1. America-They performed some very good music, but IMO they're a notch below Hall quality.

2. Blood, Sweat & Tears-They had that ONE great album....

3. Chicago- Absolutely deserve to go in! Really the LEADERS of one of the definitive sub-genres (there's a new word!) of pop/rock music of the last 40 years.

4. Dave Clark Five- Definitely not Hall material. A fairly talented B.I. band, but not at the top level. -- But I agree with you, Adam. I remember when back in the mid 60s, people thought they'd overtake the Beatles.

5. Neil Diamond- He did some good folk rock in his early days. But he has become a club singer. Is Tony Bennett in the Hall, how about Wayne Newton?

6. Donovan- Some definite talent, but a lower tier.

7. ELO- Wouldn't mind seeing them get in.

8. Guess Who- I kinda put them in the same category as America -- only I think they're better. If America gets in, The Guess Who should certainly get in.

9. Hall & Oates- They were OK, but I never saw what all the excitement was about.

10. Jay & the Americans- Why would they go in? Besides there were two different Jays.

11. Brenda Lee-Has since gone in. - and deservedly so.

12. Lovin' Spoonful-Has since gone in, - ditto

13. Moody Blues-Absolutely deserve it. Don't know why they haven't made it yet.

14. Gene Pitney - I still think he's underappreciated, even being IN the Hall.

15. Paul Revere & the Raiders-Good group, but I always thought them to be one dimensional.

16. Righteous Brothers-They have since (FINALLY) gone in. - Thank God!

17. Johnny Rivers- Good singer - but not of that calibre.

18. Linda Ronstadt- I can't see it at all.

19. Todd Rundgren- A fine talent, but it would be a shock to me if he ever made it.

20. Jack Scott- He's a country singer. Sounded like a poor man's Johnny Cash. Like his music, but the Hall? No.

21. Searchers- I think they were better than the DC5, but had no staying power.

22. Bob Seger-Just went in. - I can't see why.

23. Ventures- For several years they were the instrumental leaders. Why not?

24. Dionne Warwick- Great singer, but the wrong genre.

25. Mary Wells- maybe......

[Pete70s]

1. America-One of my favorite groups, but I can't say if they're Hall material or not.

2. Blood, Sweat & Tears-Put the Buckinghams in before these guys! THEY were the first group to do the horn section thing.

3. Chicago-Absolutely!

4. Dave Clark Five-No

5. Neil Diamond-He WAS the leader in the Singer-Songwriter movement of the early 70's.

6. Donovan-Maybe....

7. ELO-Why not? Like Chicago was with horns, they were with strings.

8. Guess Who-Absolutely!

9. Hall & Oates-Yeah, I can see it..

10. Jay & the Americans-No, I can't see it..

13. Moody Blues-They will eventually... They HAVE to!

14. Gene Pitney- ::Hiccup:: no....

15. Paul Revere & the Raiders-In a perfect world...

17. Johnny Rivers-Just like Three Dog Night, It's the cover stigma that's probably keeping him out.

18. Linda Ronstadt-She DID give a LOT of big musicians their start..

19. Todd Rundgren-One of the most deserving on this list IMO!

20. Jack Scott-You've got to be kidding!

21. Searchers-I'd like to see it, maybe one day..

23. Ventures-I've been saying this for YEARS! They influenced more guitar players than practically anybody in the pre-Hendrix years! First group to use effect pedals, too!

24. Dionne Warwick-Eh...

25. Mary Wells-Absolutely!

[KittyKat - RIP Luciano]

1. America-I'd love it too. I never understood the comparison to CSNY. I know they've been on the ballot in the past who knows what the years may bring.

2. Blood, Sweat & Tears- I think they deserve it personally. Al Kooper and David Clayton Thomas both deserve the recognition.

3. Chicago- A given. Seriously if they don't make it in the next couple of years something is wrong.

4. Dave Clark Five- This is one I don't see happening.

5. Neil Diamond- He should go in at least for songwriting like Carole King did.

6. Donovan- I have to say that I don't think he deserves it, at least not before a lot of other acts.

7. ELO-I'd love this too. It's quite possible we'll see them go in before the decade's out.

8. Guess Who- ditto.

9. Hall & Oates- I wouldn't be surprised at all about these two going in.

10. Jay & the Americans- Don't see them in

13. Moody Blues- Did Justin Hayward run over an Acadmey member's dog or something? I don't even really like this band all that much and I think they deserve to go in.

15. Paul Revere & the Raiders-I don't enough about them to comment on their chances.

17. Johnny Rivers- I don't think he'll go in but I've been surprised before.

18. Linda Ronstadt- her "cover song" reputation is going to keep her out.

19. Todd Rundgren- Absolutely deserves to go in. I know he's been on the ballot before.

20. Jack Scott- Country singer? I've heard the name.

21. Searchers-A good argument could be made for them, and I think they have a good chance.

23. Ventures- Hmmm, maybe. I think other groups deserve it more.

24. Dionne Warwick-I can think of about 25 other artists that deserve it more than her.

25. Mary Wells- see above. This is one of the artists that I was thinking of.

[Ken]

1.America - It would be great - and they did have some great tunes.


2.Blood Sweat and Tears - They had some great music and helped to pioneer the jazz/ rock genre along with Chicago , even though they didn't have the staying power Chicago had. It's a tough call though.

3.Chicago - Yup they deserve it .

4. The Dave Clark Five - They sure accomplished alot in their career - 18 or so appearances on Ed Sullivan (and not one of them are available on video or DVD(??), chart topping singles etc. Maybe one of these days.

5.Neil Diamond - His 60's / early 70's stuff was great. I'm actually quite suprised that he's not "in" as a songwriter.

6.Donovan - He had some great songs I agree but I can't see him going in very soon.

7.ELO - It sure would be nice - Jeff wrote some wonderful songs. It's hard to say really why one artist or group is inducted ahead of another.

8.Guess Who - Most definitely Up here they have recieved their share of awards for different accomplishments over the years. Honestly I'm suprised they aren't already in.

9.Hall and Oates - Yeah I can sort of see them going in.


10.Jay and The Americans - They had some good tunes - but I can't really see it.

11.Brenda Lee - Right on.

12.Lovin Spoonful - Woo Hoo!

13.The Moody Blues - They really do deserve it.

14.Gene Pitney I also think he's underappreciated.

15.Paul Revere / Raiders - I'm sure they'll make it in

16.Righteous Bros - It's amazing how long it takes them to induct some .

17.Johnny Rivers - I think him doing too many covers (although I like him) may hurt his chances.

18.Linda Ronstadt - I agree

19.Todd Rundgren - Very deserving

20.Jack Scott - Did he really have that much impact?

21.Searchers - I love these guys so much but like Johnny Rivers they build their career on outside writers so that could hurt them.

22.Bob Seger - I really like Bob alot but for some reason was stunned he went in.

23.Ventures - I can see it.

24.Dionne Warwick - Couldn''t agree more.

25.Mary Wells - The only tune I ever knew was My Guy - I can't really see her going in anytime soon.

[55dodger]

America - I can see it. Great music, good chart success.
Blood, Sweat, & Tears - Maybe not. Great band, great music, just didn't do anything after their first three hits.
Chicago - Gotta wonder what the Rockhall is thinking by keeping these guys out.
DC5 - I could see it. Again, Pretty good music, and pretty good chart success.
Neil Diamond - Sorry, I like Neil. He belongs in the hall.
Donovan - Merits consideration, but there are others who deserve induction before Donovan.
ELO - Definately
Guess Who - What else do they need to do?
Hall & Oates - Great 10 year run of hits. Should get in.
Jay & the Americans -Not sure they did enough to get into the hall.
Moody Blues - A very glaring omission.
Paul Revere & the Raiders - Never gave these guys much thought, but I guess they deserve consideration
Johnny Rivers - I'm not sure we should keep someone out of the hall simply because they did a lot of covers. Quality of the music should count more. Rockhall quality music.
Linda Ronstadt - See Johnny Rivers. Will probably get in before Johnny Rivers
Todd Rundgren - Deserves to be in as a writer or contributor or something, but not as a singer
Jack Scott - Who?
Searchers - I don't know, probably not
Ventures - IMO, the Ventures were one of the kings of the early 60s instrumentals. For that influence, they belong.
Dionne Warwick - Despite the fact I'm not a fan, she does have a 20+ year chart history and some pretty good songs. Maybe another glaring omission.
Mary Wells - maybe not

I'd like to add my personal glaring omission, the Fifth Dimension. Great music and successful chart history. Every bit deserving as say the Mamas & Papas. I somethimes wonder if not being cool by VH1 standards has anything to do with some artists being left off. Just an opinion.

[lora]

1. America - I think they deserve it.

2. Blood, Sweat & Tears - Eh. Maybe someday, but not anytime soon.

3. Chicago - I'd say they'll go in within five years. Just a guess though.

4. Dave Clark Five - They made a big impact, but it's gonna take a while for them to get in too I think.

5. Neil Diamond - As a writer, definitely. As an artist, he annoys me so I would say a big NO there.

6. Donovan - He's got a really good shot at it.

7. ELO - They will definitely make it in.

8. Guess Who - Another definite.

9. Hall & Oates - I think they'll get in, although I'm not personally sure that they deserve it.

10. Jay & the Americans - No.

11. Brenda Lee - Deserved it!

12. Lovin' Spoonful - Also deserved their spot.

13. Moody Blues - Probably the closest to a sure thing on this list.

14. Gene Pitney - I don't see what the big deal is here...but he's already in so that's no longer an issue.

15. Paul Revere & the Raiders - They may get in.

16. Righteous Brothers - I can't believe how long they had to wait to get in!

17. Johnny Rivers - I don't think he deserves it.

18. Linda Ronstadt - A must!

19. Todd Rundgren - He should make it in eventually.

20. Jack Scott - Country, yet me nor Adam have heard of him? He's not going in.

21. Searchers - If they're extremely lucky...

22. Bob Seger - I knew he'd get in. I just didn't think it would be this soon!

23. Ventures - I don't think so.

24. Dionne Warwick - In the rock hall, no. Although she is majorly talented.

25. Mary Wells - I only know the one too.

[Dawn]

1. America - I'd also love to see them in, but it will probably be quite a while, if ever.

2. Blood, Sweat & Tears- I can't really see them in there.

3. Chicago- Most definitely! They should have been in years ago.

4. Dave Clark Five- Good songs, but not Hall material.

5. Neil Diamond- I agree with him going in as a writer, possibly as a performer.

6. Donovan- I'd like to see him in eventually, after some other acts.

7. ELO- Absolutely!! The sooner, the better!

8. Guess Who- Yes, they should go in as well.

9. Hall & Oates- Another deserving act - they had an incredible string of hits.

10. Jay & the Americans-No

11. Brenda Lee-

12. Lovin' Spoonful-

13. Moody Blues-I couldn't agree more. Would love to see them in next year's class.

14. Gene Pitney-

15. Paul Revere & the Raiders-I think they should be in, but I can't really see it happening.

16. Righteous Brothers-

17. Johnny Rivers-Possibly in a few years - there are quite a few acts more deserving.

18. Linda Ronstadt-I'd like to see her in.

19. Todd Rundgren- Should be there as well.

20. Jack Scott-No, no, no.

21. Searchers-Good group, but not sure they're Hall worthy.

22. Bob Seger-

23. Ventures-Yes, they deserve a spot.

24. Dionne Warwick-No

25. Mary Wells-Good singer, but can't really see her in the Hall.

Another act not listed here that would be a good candidate for the Hall is Three Dog Night. It probably won't be for a while, if ever, but they definitely deserve a nod.

[djdave]

i. America-Good to see them there soon.

2. Blood, Sweat & Tears-Should go in soon.

3. Chicago-Agreed.

4. Dave Clark Five-Long overdue.

5. Neil Diamond-Just because he's had a great, long career, I feel he's worthy.

6. Donovan-I think he should go in.

7. ELO-Who wouldn't want them in here?!

8. Guess Who-If the Lovin' Spoonful's in, they should be too.

9. Hall & Oates-Would love to see them make it in, but U2 will be overwhelmingly in before them next year.

10. Jay & the Americans-Would be nice to see them in.

11. Brenda Lee-Good goin', girl!

12. Lovin' Spoonful-Love their music, maybe influential to some voters for their unique "jug band" rock sound.

13. Moody Blues-Truth be told, the electors always merely overlook them. They'd rather listen to REM and Run DMC.

14. Gene Pitney-Powerful 60's pop performer, well-deserved.

15. Paul Revere & the Raiders-If the Monkees are in, they should be in too.

16. Righteous Brothers-Can't knock their unique sound at least.

17. Johnny Rivers-Would love to see him there.

18. Linda Ronstadt-She better make it in soon.

19. Todd Rundgren-Really would LOVE to see him there.

20. Jack Scott-H2 may have already agreed, but he had a great, unique rockabilly-ballad sound. Very forgotten today, I feel time has taken its toll on him. "What in the world's" just gets better every listen, should be in my future top 2000 CRAZY list.

21. Searchers-Give or take. Same level as Gerry & the Pacemakers; lower-second tier of UK acts.

22. Bob Seger-Well-deserved; he is one of 3 "All-American rockers", along with Bruce and Mr. Mellencamp, my top pick of all.

23. Ventures-People don't realize their TREMENDOUS 60's LP output, yet they're mostly remakes. Still, a GREAT guitar sound that is wonderful and can't be overlooked.

24. Dionne Warwick-ROCK Hall of Fame? PLEASE! Neil WILL go in before HER!

25. Mary Wells-Overlooked Motown artist; could make it there.

[Camille Noire]

[glow=red,2,300]1. America-they're pretty good. It'll be cool if they made it on.

2. Blood, Sweat & Tears-same with these guys.

3. Chicago-you mean they aren't in the Hall already?!? They really deserve to be.

4. Dave Clark Five-they're all right.

5. Neil Diamond-I like a lot of his songs, but I don't think I see it happening, especially as a writer.

6. Donovan-he did a pretty cool song and I can't remember what it was right at the moment.

7. ELO-I can't believe they aren't in either!

8. Guess Who-I'm not sure about this one.

9. Hall & Oates-They really should be in.

10. Jay & the Americans-Not really familiar with them.

11. Brenda Lee-I'm not really familliar with her either.

12. Lovin' Spoonful-That's good that they are in. They did some good stuff.

13. Moody Blues-they have really been slighted.

14. Gene Pitney-not familiar.

15. Paul Revere & the Raiders-they're all right. I guess they should be in.

16. Righteous Brothers-That's good that they are in. They've done a lot of good music.

17. Johnny Rivers-He should be in too.

18. Linda Ronstadt-Never was big on her. I don't really see her being in it.

19. Todd Rundgren-Not familiar.

20. Jack Scott-Not familiar.

21. Searchers-Not familiar.

22. Bob Seger-Not familiar.

23. Ventures-Never was big on them, but they should still be in.

24. Dionne Warwick-Yeah, I think I will agree with the guy.

25. Mary Wells-Not familiar.

[/glow]

[m c dornan]

There are only 4 performers I'd want to see in the HoF.

Donovan

Moody Blues

Ventures

Dionne Warwick


The HoF oughta be special, and not just put someone in cuz they had a song two you liked. I'd go beyond pure RnR though, because especially in the 60s, the charts were a really interesting mix of styles, and R&B and Motown were just as much a part of rock listening as rock itself.

Jack Scott was a country singer who had 2 or 3 crossover hits in the early 60s. He was on one of the PBS shows. He did "What in the World's Come Over You", and I think "Burning Bridges", and also "My Own True Love".

[Rali]

It irritates me to no end that Prince and some others went in before many (Most) of these! Shouldn't longevity count for anything? And yes I know that just becauses someone's around a long time, it doesn't automatically make them "good"--but sometimes they just are!

(But at least a Doo Wop group--The Dubs--went in this year. ;D)

*Note*: I'll try to reply "later" about the individual artists..

[Rali]

m said:

...especially in the 60s, the charts were a really interesting mix of styles, and R&B and Motown were just as much a part of rock listening as rock itself..

Exactly! And that's why we LOVED radio then! (And miss it now).


Stylistically, music is SO segrated these days. I am SO happy that between what I heard on the raqdio and at home (And church) when I was a kid, I learned to love ALL kinds of styles of music.

And it's also nice that now days my kids and I share a love of mutual artists. (Tho they have a few I just don't "get"--and vice-versa. LOL! I suppose such as that is unavoidable. *sigh*)

[SAT-I need more room!!]

Rali said:

It irritates me to no end that Prince and some others went in before many (Most) of these! Shouldn't longevity count for anything? And yes I know that just becauses someone's around a long time, it doesn't automatically make them "good"--but sometimes they just are!

(But at least a Doo Wop group--The Dubs--went in this year. ;D)

*Note*: I'll try to reply "later" about the individual artists..

Is the Dubs a nickname for The Dells? LOL!

[Rali]

SAT-Sissy's said:

Is the Dubs a nickname for The Dells? LOL!

*scratches head* Hmm.. The Dubs, The Dells...


Hmm...

WAS it the Dells?? Memory, ya know (Plus I think I only heard it once--or twice mentioned whoever it is/was...)