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Post by Dawn on Jun 19, 2003 7:10:21 GMT -5
We're going back 38 years today for a look at the popular hits of the time. These were the top 10 songs on Billboard's Hot 100 singles chart on June 19, 1965.
10. Hush, Hush Sweet Charlotte – Patti Page 9. For Your Love – Yardbirds 8. Engine Engine #9 – Roger Miller 7. Help Me, Rhonda – Beach Boys 6. Wonderful World – Herman’s Hermits 5. Back in My Arms Again – Supremes 4. Crying in the Chapel – Elvis Presley 3. Woolly Bully – Sam the Sham & the Pharoahs 2. Mr. Tambourine Man – Byrds 1. I Can’t Help Myself – Four Tops
Any thoughts or memories of these songs?
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Post by H2IZCOOL on Jun 19, 2003 7:59:36 GMT -5
Hey Dawn! Love those earlier charts! A few real classics here. I'm referring to For Your Love (maybe my fave Yardbirds song), Mr. Tambourine Man (Byrds did a great cover of the Dylan tune) and Can't Help Myself (a great early hit for a group whose original members stayed together longer than any other group) I remember hearing that the success of Can't Help Myself surprised a lot of DJs -- that the song did it on its own, without their help. I don't put Help Me Rhonda in the same category, nor Back In My Arms again. IMO, these weren't the strongest representatives of their respective artists. I may be in the minority here, but I found Rhonda especially weak -- I don't think it showed the Beach Boys harmonies well -except maybe for the bass line. Engine Engine #9 is one of Miller's lesser known hits but one that I enjoy. Patti Page was a superstar of an earlier era, but hung on through the 60s. Hush Hush was her last top twenty hit. Woolly Bully is a classic of a different type. Kinda like Louie Louie. A lot of it's popularity stemmed from people wondering what the heck they were singing about. I've noted that many people on this board don't like Herman's Hermits. I'm an exception in that I really enjoy much of their light rock. That said, I don't think they do a very good job with covers. Wonderful World, Silhouettes, and I'm Into Something Good are among their poorer efforts. Finally, I had actually blocked out of my mind that Crying in The Chapel had made the Top 10. Like I've said, I don't care for pseudo-religious music, and I don't care for Elvis as a gospel singer in general. --- and the definitive version of Crying in the Chapel was done 12 years earlier by Sonny Til and the Orioles. (Whew! - Like I said, I like to talk about these earlier charts.)
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Post by lora on Jun 19, 2003 12:12:21 GMT -5
I didn't know Patti Page sang "Hush, Hush Sweet Charlotte". That's a kick-@$$ movie!
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Post by m c dornan on Jun 19, 2003 12:24:12 GMT -5
The 60s are just starting to be born. The Yardbirds were really ahead of their time, and this song is the indication of what's coming up on the music scene. "Woolly Bully" is the sign of the upcoming garage rock scene. "Help Me Rhonda" is the Beach Boys moving away from standard 3-chord songs, and surf-and-cars songs.
There were still lots of crossover songs in the 60s from other charts. Like Patti Page, which is a song I like. It used to be played at my grade-school dances when it was time for "the slow song".
Boy, I woulda sworn "Crying in the Chapel" went back much further than 1965!
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Post by Ken on Jun 19, 2003 13:01:17 GMT -5
What no Beatles ? gasp! - wow that's odd anyway - a fine list today Hush Hush Sweet Charlotte - Remember seeing the movie a loooong time ago don't recall the song though. For your Love- simply an excellent tune (although Clapton thought otherwise - it was to pop as far as he was concerned. I don't think at the time they were really given the credit for being a great band until much later. Engine Engine #9 - Love Roger Miller Help Me Rhonda - remember hearing this as a kid oh and the 45 version only please:) Wonderful World - I thought they did a nice version of this . I've always enoyed their songs . alot of their late 60's material is also quite good . Back in My Arms Again - A very strong tune from The girls still crankin' out the hits for Motown. Crying In The Chapel - I agree with MC that it is hard to believe that this was a '65 release . It does sound much earlier . Wooly Bully - A garage band classic! bought a reissue 45 of this (With Lil'Red Riding Hood on the flip side) back in the 80's. Mr. Tambourine Man - Only Roger , David and Gene actually played on the track , Hal Blaine played drums. I forget who played the Bass part. but this for me is THE version - I know that if it wasn't for Bob we wouldn''t have it in the first place . but this arrangement is just perfect. The first Byrds tune I ever heard back in the mid 70's. I Can't Help Myself - This gets plenty of airplay onthe local oldies station but I never seem to get tired of it.
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Post by SAT-I need more room!! on Jun 19, 2003 13:43:55 GMT -5
Only ones I don't know are 10 and 8, the non rock numbers.
The rest, for the most part, are songs that are all over the dial to this day, and even the squares know.
The one exception would be Elvis' Crying in the Chapel, which, while being a top 10 hit, doesn't get airplay.
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Post by Pete70s on Jun 19, 2003 14:25:26 GMT -5
Basically, my feelings are the same as Adam's. I've never heard the Patti Page tune (I would like to though, because it was such a big hit). My dad had the Roger Miller 45, but I don't remember the song itself.
Obviously, "Help Me Rhonda" is my favorite. To this day, I can't hear the song without thinking of the infamous bootleg tape of Murray Wilson "crashing" the recording session. I tried to find a transcript on the net, but to no avail. Here are some of the highlights...
MURRAY: "What we need to do..." BRIAN: "What YOU need to do is get that big booming voice of yours at least 20 feet away from that microphone!" (turns to the others) "I've got one good ear and his big booming voice is killing it!" MURRAY: "I'm just trying to help" BRIAN: "We'd like to record in an atmosphere of calm, and you're NOT providing that!" MURRAY: "You'll never get anywhere by 'phony singing for money'" BRIAN: "Yeah, why don't you go tell that to Johnny Rivers!"
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Post by SAT-I need more room!! on Jun 19, 2003 14:52:18 GMT -5
Basically, my feelings are the same as Adam's. I've never heard the Patti Page tune (I would like to though, because it was such a big hit). My dad had the Roger Miller 45, but I don't remember the song itself. Obviously, "Help Me Rhonda" is my favorite. To this day, I can't hear the song without thinking of the infamous bootleg tape of Murray Wilson "crashing" the recording session. I tried to find a transcript on the net, but to no avail. Here are some of the highlights... MURRAY: "What we need to do..." BRIAN: "What YOU need to do is get that big booming voice of yours at least 20 feet away from that microphone!" (turns to the others) "I've got one good ear and his big booming voice is killing it!" MURRAY: "I'm just trying to help" BRIAN: "We'd like to record in an atmosphere of calm, and you're NOT providing that!" MURRAY: "You'll never get anywhere by 'phony singing for money'" BRIAN: "Yeah, why don't you go tell that to Johnny Rivers!" What did he mean by "phony singing"?
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Post by Pete70s on Jun 19, 2003 16:03:17 GMT -5
What did he mean by "phony singing"? I think he was trying to get the boys to "sing from their hearts". Murray Wilson was strange, no matter how good the group sounded, he was never pleased. The engineers even rigged up a phony mixing board in the studio for Murray to use, to keep him quiet and to make him think he was actually doing something, when in reality he was doing nothing. As for the Johnny Rivers comment, I always found it ironic that 10 years later, Brian would work with him on his version of "Help Me Rhonda".
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Post by SAT-I need more room!! on Jun 19, 2003 16:12:53 GMT -5
I think he was trying to get the boys to "sing from their hearts". Murray Wilson was strange, no matter how good the group sounded, he was never pleased. The engineers even rigged up a phony mixing board in the studio for Murray to use, to keep him quiet and to make him think he was actually doing something, when in reality he was doing nothing. As for the Johnny Rivers comment, I always found it ironic that 10 years later, Brian would work with him on his version of "Help Me Rhonda". That's what I was wondering about, because it sounded like a shot at Johnny! Just like that nasty shot you told me Jimi took at the Beach Boys! Especially when so many of Jimi's contemporaries (Neil, EC), have praised Brian's work over the years.
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Post by Pete70s on Jun 19, 2003 16:25:13 GMT -5
That's what I was wondering about, because it sounded like a shot at Johnny! Just like that nasty shot you told me Jimi took at the Beach Boys! Especially when so many of Jimi's contemporaries (Neil, EC), have praised Brian's work over the years. I actually never really knew if it was a shot at Johnny or not. I do know that in the early days of Johnny Rivers career, he didn't get a lot of respect from his contemporaries. My guess is that it was because all of his early hits were cover tunes, none of which were as good as the originals. By the time Poor Side of Town came out, people started respecting him more. I could be totally wrong on this, but maybe one of the older board members can enlighten us...
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Post by Dawn on Jun 19, 2003 18:46:07 GMT -5
Hey Dawn! Love those earlier charts! A few real classics here. I'm referring to For Your Love (maybe my fave Yardbirds song), Mr. Tambourine Man (Byrds did a great cover of the Dylan tune) and Can't Help Myself (a great early hit for a group whose original members stayed together longer than any other group) I remember hearing that the success of Can't Help Myself surprised a lot of DJs -- that the song did it on its own, without their help. I don't put Help Me Rhonda in the same category, nor Back In My Arms again. IMO, these weren't the strongest representatives of their respective artists. I may be in the minority here, but I found Rhonda especially weak -- I don't think it showed the Beach Boys harmonies well -except maybe for the bass line. Engine Engine #9 is one of Miller's lesser known hits but one that I enjoy. Patti Page was a superstar of an earlier era, but hung on through the 60s. Hush Hush was her last top twenty hit. Woolly Bully is a classic of a different type. Kinda like Louie Louie. A lot of it's popularity stemmed from people wondering what the heck they were singing about. I've noted that many people on this board don't like Herman's Hermits. I'm an exception in that I really enjoy much of their light rock. That said, I don't think they do a very good job with covers. Wonderful World, Silhouettes, and I'm Into Something Good are among their poorer efforts. Finally, I had actually blocked out of my mind that Crying in The Chapel had made the Top 10. Like I've said, I don't care for pseudo-religious music, and I don't care for Elvis as a gospel singer in general. --- and the definitive version of Crying in the Chapel was done 12 years earlier by Sonny Til and the Orioles. (Whew! - Like I said, I like to talk about these earlier charts.) Hey H2! Thought you'd like this one! I completely agree with you on the classics. Those songs have definitely stood the test of time, and sound great even today. I love the Supremes, but agree that 'Back in My Arms Again' wasn't their best work. 'Engine Engine #9' is a great song from Roger. It's not heard nearly as often as 'Dang Me' or 'King of the Road', but it's still a winner!
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Post by Dawn on Jun 19, 2003 18:48:32 GMT -5
I didn't know Patti Page sang "Hush, Hush Sweet Charlotte". That's a kick-@$$ movie! I've never seen the movie, but from the description, it sounds really interesting!
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Post by Dawn on Jun 19, 2003 18:53:04 GMT -5
The 60s are just starting to be born. The Yardbirds were really ahead of their time, and this song is the indication of what's coming up on the music scene. "Woolly Bully" is the sign of the upcoming garage rock scene. "Help Me Rhonda" is the Beach Boys moving away from standard 3-chord songs, and surf-and-cars songs. There were still lots of crossover songs in the 60s from other charts. Like Patti Page, which is a song I like. It used to be played at my grade-school dances when it was time for "the slow song". Boy, I woulda sworn "Crying in the Chapel" went back much further than 1965! Good point, m c. This chart is similar to the 1964 one we did recently in that it really shows the different directions music was taking in the 60's. Like you, I've always thought 'Crying in the Chapel' was older than that!
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Post by Dawn on Jun 19, 2003 18:58:54 GMT -5
What no Beatles ? gasp! - wow that's odd anyway - a fine list today Hush Hush Sweet Charlotte - Remember seeing the movie a loooong time ago don't recall the song though. For your Love- simply an excellent tune (although Clapton thought otherwise - it was to pop as far as he was concerned. I don't think at the time they were really given the credit for being a great band until much later. Engine Engine #9 - Love Roger Miller Help Me Rhonda - remember hearing this as a kid oh and the 45 version only please:) Wonderful World - I thought they did a nice version of this . I've always enoyed their songs . alot of their late 60's material is also quite good . Back in My Arms Again - A very strong tune from The girls still crankin' out the hits for Motown. Crying In The Chapel - I agree with MC that it is hard to believe that this was a '65 release . It does sound much earlier . Wooly Bully - A garage band classic! bought a reissue 45 of this (With Lil'Red Riding Hood on the flip side) back in the 80's. Mr. Tambourine Man - Only Roger , David and Gene actually played on the track , Hal Blaine played drums. I forget who played the Bass part. but this for me is THE version - I know that if it wasn't for Bob we wouldn''t have it in the first place . but this arrangement is just perfect. The first Byrds tune I ever heard back in the mid 70's. I Can't Help Myself - This gets plenty of airplay onthe local oldies station but I never seem to get tired of it. I agree, it is kind of strange that there aren't any Beatles songs on this chart. They were at their peak around this time! 'For Your Love' is outstanding, one of their best songs. As m c pointed out, they were really ahead of their time. I've heard Bob's version of 'Mr. Tambourine Man', and it's not bad, but the Byrds do a much better job with it, IMO.
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