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Post by SAT-I need more room!! on Apr 22, 2005 11:51:07 GMT -5
I'm gonna go with Fifth Dimension because of the ones that I feel deserve it the most, they're the oldest, so their time has come!
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Post by djdave on Apr 22, 2005 12:04:56 GMT -5
All right, he may have recorded corn along the way, but he was a VERY talented singer/pianist/songwriter, much moreso than Gene Pitney, maybe even more than Bobby Darin or Del Shannon. HAVE to give it to Neil.
Good choices in 5th Dimension and the Hollies, too!
Dionne? ROCK hall? Ummm....
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Post by SAT-I need more room!! on Apr 22, 2005 12:07:32 GMT -5
Dionne? ROCK hall? Ummm.... I fully question Miss Dionne myself, Dave. I really just used her because I am trying to get multiples of 8, and Goldmine had her on their list, so..... But Neil even over the Moodies? |
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Post by Ken on Apr 22, 2005 12:31:29 GMT -5
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Post by djdave on Apr 22, 2005 12:34:19 GMT -5
But Neil even over the Moodies? For personal taste, yes. But both really deserve it equally. Just a matter of time, I guess. |
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Post by SAT-I need more room!! on Apr 22, 2005 12:59:42 GMT -5
For personal taste, yes. But both really deserve it equally. Just a matter of time, I guess. Of course, all our own tastes! But if Dionne is too "lite" to be in the Rock Hall, couldn't people argue the same about Mr Sedaka? |
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Post by H2IZCOOL on Apr 22, 2005 13:34:34 GMT -5
I think you have a much more lightweight group on this poll, Adam. Good reasons for not including ANYONE. But I went with the Hollies. I know they were second or third wave invasion, but I think their sound was both unique enough, and influential enough to perhaps warrant a Hall bid.
Neil? Teen idol pop star who could get in as a writer, but I don't see it as a singer.
Fifth Dimension - Maybe, but their big impact was more in MOR/pop/jazz than in Rock or even R&B.
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Post by SAT-I need more room!! on Apr 22, 2005 13:39:34 GMT -5
I think you have a much more lightweight group on this poll, Adam. Good reasons for not including ANYONE. But I went with the Hollies. I know they were second or third wave invasion, but I think their sound was both unique enough, and influential enough to perhaps warrant a Hall bid. Neil? Teen idol pop star who could get in as a writer, but I don't see it as a singer. Fifth Dimension - Maybe, but their big impact was more in MOR/pop/jazz than in Rock or even R&B. Good reasons to not include anyone? Including Hall & Oates-blue eyed soul and the number 1 (yep, over the Everlys, look it up) recording charing rock-n-roll duo of all time that is still cranking out hits today. |
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Post by H2IZCOOL on Apr 22, 2005 13:56:19 GMT -5
Good reasons to not include anyone? Including Hall & Oates-blue eyed soul and the number 1 (yep, over the Everlys, look it up) recording charing rock-n-roll duo of all time that is still cranking out hits today. I don't doubt that H&O have outcharted the Everlys, but does that make them Hall worthy? Not IMO. Not yet anyway. I don't see a style, a unique quality. They were just there, they could sing, and the young girls thought Daryl was cute. |
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Post by SAT-I need more room!! on Apr 22, 2005 14:03:50 GMT -5
I don't doubt that H&O have outcharted the Everlys, but does that make them Hall worthy? Not IMO. Not yet anyway. I don't see a style, a unique quality. They were just there, they could sing, and the young girls thought Daryl was cute. And Oates was the worst video actor of all time. But the same arguement about a lack of unique quality-while still having other good qualifications-could be put to many others we have suggested on here. Oh and about the Hollies-I never realized how well respected they were until I heard David Crosby say what big fans they (The Byrds) were. I don't think of them as "second wave". Second tier, yes. When I think of second wave, I think of several years later when Winwood came back in Traffic, EC came back in Cream, the Moodies came back psychedelic, and then you had young pups like Jethro Tull, Yes, etc. |
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Post by H2IZCOOL on Apr 22, 2005 14:22:05 GMT -5
And Oates was the worst video actor of all time. But the same arguement about a lack of unique quality-while still having other good qualifications-could be put to many others we have suggested on here. Oh and about the Hollies-I never realized how well respected they were until I heard David Crosby say what big fans they (The Byrds) were. I don't think of them as "second wave". Second tier, yes. When I think of second wave, I think of several years later when Winwood came back in Traffic, EC came back in Cream, the Moodies came back psychedelic, and then you had young pups like Jethro Tull, Yes, etc. LOL! I guess an argument could be had for electing someone just because they sold a whole bunch of records. You'd put someone in the baseball HOF if they hit more homers than anyone else. I guess I just was never a big H&O fan. That would be an interesting separate discussion topic someday. Who are the fave artists of the artists themselves. I kinda looked at anyone who arrived on the scene WITH the Beatles (early in 1964) as first wave and those who came on in very late '64 or '65 (after a short lull) as second wave (Hermans Hermits, Freddy and the Dreamers, Petula Clark, Kinks, -- and the Hollies) as second wave. (I know the Hollies had a very minor hit in the Spring of '64, but they really didn't "arrive" then) |
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Post by SAT-I need more room!! on Apr 22, 2005 14:28:25 GMT -5
LOL! I guess an argument could be had for electing someone just because they sold a whole bunch of records. You'd put someone in the baseball HOF if they hit more homers than anyone else. I guess I just was never a big H&O fan. That would be an interesting separate discussion topic someday. Who are the fave artists of the artists themselves. I kinda looked at anyone who arrived on the scene WITH the Beatles (early in 1964) as first wave and those who came on in very late '64 or '65 (after a short lull) as second wave (Hermans Hermits, Freddy and the Dreamers, Petula Clark, Kinks, -- and the Hollies) as second wave. (I know the Hollies had a very minor hit in the Spring of '64, but they really didn't "arrive" then) That's ok, Hank Aaron's already in.  So then is our arguement about Chicago a moot point? Our theory is all their hits. But how do we know who the fave artists of artists are? |
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Post by beatles4ever on Apr 22, 2005 15:06:18 GMT -5
The Fifth Dimension.  |
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Post by H2IZCOOL on Apr 22, 2005 16:03:06 GMT -5
That's ok, Hank Aaron's already in. So then is our arguement about Chicago a moot point? Our theory is all their hits. But how do we know who the fave artists of artists are? Yeah, but how about Barry Bonds and Steroid Sammy? I think all their hits is only part of it. They kinda invented the ensemble sound - brass and all that. Internet research or knowledge from interviews you heard I guess. How did you find out about the Byrds/Hollies thing? |
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Post by SAT-I need more room!! on Apr 22, 2005 16:17:24 GMT -5
Yeah, but how about Barry Bonds and Steroid Sammy? I think all their hits is only part of it. They kinda invented the ensemble sound - brass and all that. Internet research or knowledge from interviews you heard I guess. How did you find out about the Byrds/Hollies thing? Hey, don't make fun of Sammy! He's doing a bang up over in.......uh........um......... Oh yeah, Baltimore! (Everyone seems to have forgotten about him.) Ok, what about Petula and Lesley? I mean the arguements can be put to so many artists. Good point about the Byrds/Hollies thing! LOL! But what would our discussions be? |
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