Discussion: Rock-n-Roll Hall inductees, year two

[SAT-I need more room!!]

Hopefully we'll get more people joining in on these??

Here are the artists that went in the Hall in the second year, 1987.


The Coasters
Eddie Cochran
Bo Diddley
Aretha Franklin
Marvin Gaye
Bill Haley
B.B. King
Clyde McPhatter
Ricky Nelson
Roy Orbison
Carl Perkins
Smokey Robinson
Big Joe Turner
Muddy Waters
Jackie Wilson

Early influences

Louis Jordan
T-Bone Walker
Hank Williams

Non-performers

Leonard Chess
Ahmet Ertegun
Jerry Leiber and Mike Stoller
Jerry Wexler


Quite a few blues artists here-Bo, B.B., Big Joe and Muddy. I never knew the years these guys were out-I woulda figured Big Joe and Muddy woulda been early influences. But were all 4 of these guys big enough in the rock world? I guess it's more for influence than hits. With other cross over artists (like Elvis and the Everlys being in both the Rock & Country Halls), they had both hits AND influence.

The 3 most deserving are all listed in a row-Ricky, Orby and Carl. My boss here at work rolls his eyes at Ricky, dismissing him as a teen idol. Well so was Elvis! And Roy has the voice everybody loves. Elvis had more positive things to say about Roy than any of his contemporaries. And Carl had a lot to do with helping Elvis early career. Not to mention his influence on many artists, including the Beatles.

Speaking of influence on the Beatles, they performed many Coasters songs in the early days, including Searchin', Youngblood and Shiek of Araby. And they were the first act to incorporate comedy into a lot of their music.

Eddie is a personal fave of mine. I sometimes forget he went in the second year and am a bit surprised he did. But I don't mind.

Marvin, Smokey and Jackie are HUGE with the soul/R&B section of Rock. So much so, people may argue some of them shoulda been in the first year. But then you have to remember there was 6 soul artists the first year.

Aretha was the first lady in. No questioning that. But Connie Francis is still not on the ballot??

Bill Haley some could argue shoulda been in the first year. He had the first number 1 in the Rock era (Rock and Roll's theme song?) and his sound kinda bridged between the pre-rock big band and rock-n-roll.

The only one I question is Clyde McPhatter. I never heard of him before this year (87) and to this day I have not heard one song by him. And he went in the second year?


What do you guys think?

[djdave]

Another great group, though not as great as "the original 10".

Each definitely had their own distinct, mostly influential, style.

Many of the "so-called" teen idols were creative to a degree, and Ricky had a great guitar style to match his great voice. (Then again, Neil Sedaka had a great piano playing skill, why does HE never make it? All right, you got me. I've heard TOO many (Clicksters included) dismiss him as "fluff". But he's more deserving than Percy Sledge! (Now I'm going off on a tangent here...)

Can't argue with Big Joe, B.B. and Muddy. All great blues players that help shaped rock's bluesy side.

And Clyde could have easily gone in on a later year, but had an unmatched falsetto (influential maybe to Frankie Valli and Lou Christie) that made the early (pre-Ben E. King) Drifters a big hit on the R & B chart. Plus, he had some great solo tunes that are unjustly overlooked today, especially "A lover's question", as oldies stations shy away from pre-Beatles stuff.

My 2 cents.

[Dawn]

Another excellent class of inductees. If I had to pick one of them to leave out of this group, I would go with Clyde McPhatter, although I think he is Hall worthy and would have been a good choice for one of the groups a few years after this one.

[Ken]

I really wish the ceremonies were aired up here . I 'd watch it in a heartbeat.


Another fine selection of individuals. I love all of them.

Roy what a voice!
Carl was so amazing and Eddie Cochran was just outstanding.

I think Rick deserved to be in. To me there was just something different about him from all the other teen idols like Fabian or Bobby Rydell. The quality of his tunes seemed to me anyway to be a knotch above and he had the GREAT James Burton on guitar.

The great Muddy Waters - those old blues guys really deserve all the recognition they get for influencing everybody from Clapton, The Stones etc.

[KittyKat - RIP Luciano]

I think all of these artists are deserving but I've always questioned why so many were inducted this second year. I would have kept it at 10 instead of 15 personally. It was like they were compensating for not inducting certain artists the year before.

Anyway, really no complaints from me about this group. All of my ranting will come later.

[lora]

I agree with most of these, although I have to say that I think they should have stuck to the original ten. Fifteen is just too many. Who would I eliminate? Clyde McPhatter, The Coasters, Big Joe Turner, Muddy Waters, Jackie Wilson. Not to say those shouldn't go in, I just would've waited a year or two. I also would have thought Big Joe Turner and Muddy Waters would have been listed under Early Influences, but I haven't heard of Clyde McPhatter so I can't say anything there.

[H2IZCOOL]

(Gonna try to catch up on this little by little)

I'll talk about a couple:

Joe Turner was contemporary in the '50s, and did the original Shake Rattle and Roll. I think he's as justified as BB King and Bo Diddley. - No argument with his admission in Year 2.

Clyde McPhatter - the original lead singer of the original Drifters was very well known back then. Had three pretty big solo hits (Lover Please, A Lovers Question, and Treasure of Love -- I guess he was into love) - No argument here either.

Rick Nelson - He was the original Teen Idol. The boy who grew up on TV....and lo and behold, he was a legitimate rocker - not just a pretty boy ala Bobby Sherman or the Cassidy brothers. Ricky was the first AND the best.

Muddy Waters - Should have gone in as an influence

Eddie Cochran, Marvin Gaye and Jackie Wilson - All got in somewhat early on the sympathy death vote.

Aretha - Deserved to get in.... but BEFORE Connie, BEFORE Brenda Lee? Nope.

[SAT-I need more room!!]

H2IZCOOL said:

(Gonna try to catch up on this little by little)

I'll talk about a couple:

Joe Turner was contemporary in the '50s, and did the original Shake Rattle and Roll. I think he's as justified as BB King and Bo Diddley. - No argument with his admission in Year 2.

Clyde McPhatter - the original lead singer of the original Drifters was very well known back then. Had three pretty big solo hits (Lover Please, A Lovers Question, and Treasure of Love -- I guess he was into love) - No argument here either.

Rick Nelson - He was the original Teen Idol. The boy who grew up on TV....and lo and behold, he was a legitimate rocker - not just a pretty boy ala Bobby Sherman or the Cassidy brothers. Ricky was the first AND the best.

Muddy Waters - Should have gone in as an influence

Eddie Cochran, Marvin Gaye and Jackie Wilson - All got in somewhat early on the sympathy death vote.

Aretha - Deserved to get in.... but BEFORE Connie, BEFORE Brenda Lee? Nope.

This is the second post in a row (actually the first of two) where you kinda said Marvin was getting more than he deserved. That surprised me. I kinda see him as second only to Sam Cooke as far as being that "sweet soul" or pure soul singer. I know for a fact he had huge influence on people. Plus he had tons of hits from the 60s through the 80s. I really didn't see a problem with him or Jackie going in (which I guess is a surprise from me since I have complained about so many soul singers going in early.

[H2IZCOOL]

SAT-Laney's said:

This is the second post in a row (actually the first of two) where you kinda said Marvin was getting more than he deserved. That surprised me. I kinda see him as second only to Sam Cooke as far as being that "sweet soul" or pure soul singer. I know for a fact he had huge influence on people. Plus he had tons of hits from the 60s through the 80s. I really didn't see a problem with him or Jackie going in (which I guess is a surprise from me since I have complained about so many soul singers going in early.

No I don't think Marvin was getting more than he deserved. He definitely belongs in the Hall. It's just that we seem to have established that there was an order of admission here, that somewhat loosely followed chronologically when these people were famous. -- And Marvin and Aretha are somewhat out of order. For Marvin, I said it was likely his being dead. - but both of them got in early.

[gremashlo]

For my money, the second "class" was MUCH stronger than the first! Jackie Wilson should been in the year before!