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Post by SAT-I need more room!! on Apr 25, 2005 11:44:58 GMT -5
2003
Performers
AC/DC
The Clash
Elvis Costello & the Attractions
The Police
Righteous Brothers
Sidemen
Benny Benjamin
Floyd Cramer
Steve Douglas
Non-performers
Mo Ostin
I am very surprised AC/DC went in, especially right away, knowing, as Pete has pointed out, that Rolling Stone magazine is big involved in the process. I even remember reading a review of the Bonfire box where they said it could have been called "Variations on Four Chords". From a critical standpoint, I didn't think they'd garner much respect. I also question them in before Sabbath, and why didn't Van Halen go in their first year? The Clash, I guess I can understand, the whole punk thing. You all know how I feel about Costello, but I understand he has a lot of respect. But again, before so many others? The Police, never a doubt. Not a big fan by any stretch, but I knew it was coming. The Righteous Brothers-until the Moodies or Chicago go in, they will be the biggest "'BOUT TIME!!" in history. LONG overdue.
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Post by djdave on Apr 25, 2005 12:30:58 GMT -5
After 17 years, this was the first time I wasn't real impressed. But I can understand each one's fan base and critical circles, so be it. And I think Abba and Chic were nominated, actually.
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Post by Pete70s on Apr 25, 2005 15:05:48 GMT -5
Well, I DO have to admit that AC/DC's induction does give hope to other artists who aren't "critics darlings". But, I still have VERY little faith that certain artists will ever get in.
I think that of this list, the Police were probably the most deserving, followed by the Clash. Elvis Costello is another "critic's darling", The Righteous Brothers a token 60's artist.
No complaints on Benny Benjamin and Floyd Cramer. Don't know who Steve Douglas is, and Mo Ostin of course saved The Beach Boys career in the early 70's.
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Post by SAT-I need more room!! on Apr 25, 2005 15:15:04 GMT -5
The Righteous Brothers a token 60's artist. By saying "token", do you feel they didn't deserve it, or are you saying from the Hall's board's viewpoint, they saw them as token and threw them a bone? |
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Post by Pete70s on Apr 25, 2005 15:24:40 GMT -5
The Righteous Brothers were good, but they got to where they did because of one person: Phil Spector. Granted, they had success after they left him, but they were around for about ten hit-less years before they hooked up with him.
A more appropriate 60's choice would have been Jan & Dean. Jan was a very talented arranger/producer (before his accident), who had a profound influence on Brian Wilson and the whole California rock sound in general.
As 60's artists become less and less prevalent, why are they overlooking Jan & Dean? It would be a supreme insult if someone like The Tremeloes gets in before they do, but who knows what to expect from these lunk-heads on the selection board!
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Post by H2IZCOOL on Apr 25, 2005 15:37:34 GMT -5
I really don't know enough about AC/DC, The Clash and Elvis Costello to really present an educated opinion. I know a little of each artist's music, but not enough to say whether they are deserving or not. Police - Yeah, I suppose so. I actually like the group's music better than I do Sting solo - for whatever that's worth. Righteous Bros.- I think Pete is right about Phil Spector, but whatever the reason, they owned Blue-Eyed Soul in the mid '60s and paved the way for groups like BS&T and maybe even Chicago. I always considered Jan and Dean to be a notch below the Beach Boys, but as Pete pointed out, they came first, and were a big influence on the whole surfing sound. (BTW, Pete, I hope you were kidding about the Tremeloes.  |
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Post by SAT-I need more room!! on Apr 25, 2005 15:42:36 GMT -5
The Righteous Brothers were good, but they got to where they did because of one person: Phil Spector. Granted, they had success after they left him, but they were around for about ten hit-less years before they hooked up with him. A more appropriate 60's choice would have been Jan & Dean. Jan was a very talented arranger/producer (before his accident), who had a profound influence on Brian Wilson and the whole California rock sound in general. As 60's artists become less and less prevalent, why are they overlooking Jan & Dean? It would be a supreme insult if someone like The Tremeloes gets in before they do, but who knows what to expect from these lunk-heads on the selection board! I don't dispute J&D's qualifications, for all the reasons you listed. But as far as the Righteous on their own, they should be in for their brand of blue-eyed soul, irregardless of Phil. Would the Beatles been as huge without George Martin? We'll never know. But the Righteous should have gone in before the Rascals (who do deserve their spot). |
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Post by Pete70s on Apr 25, 2005 18:44:20 GMT -5
I really don't know enough about AC/DC, The Clash and Elvis Costello to really present an educated opinion. I know a little of each artist's music, but not enough to say whether they are deserving or not. Police - Yeah, I suppose so. I actually like the group's music better than I do Sting solo - for whatever that's worth. Righteous Bros.- I think Pete is right about Phil Spector, but whatever the reason, they owned Blue-Eyed Soul in the mid '60s and paved the way for groups like BS&T and maybe even Chicago. I always considered Jan and Dean to be a notch below the Beach Boys, but as Pete pointed out, they came first, and were a big influence on the whole surfing sound. (BTW, Pete, I hope you were kidding about the Tremeloes. I like the Tremeloes, but I don't see them as being "hall worthy". I just used them as an example of a group that came along, had a couple of hits, and dissapeared. They were the first group that came into my head. Could've been The Fortunes, or The Foundations, or anyone. |
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Post by 55dodger on Apr 26, 2005 7:21:22 GMT -5
AC/DC - More of a fan now than back when. Was a little surprised they got inductee right away, but I guess it's a good choice
Clash - Never a fan, but for the punk thing, ok.
The Police & Elvis Costello were in huge in the UK during when I was stationed there in the late 70s/early 80s. I still like the Police & think they got in when they should. Never followed Elvis C. beyond his first couple of albums. No real opinion.
Righteous Brothers - Have to agree they are the biggest "bout time" to date.
I've got a couple of Floyd Cramer albums. Nice to see him get in as a sideman.
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Post by H2IZCOOL on Apr 26, 2005 9:04:00 GMT -5
I like the Tremeloes, but I don't see them as being "hall worthy". I just used them as an example of a group that came along, had a couple of hits, and dissapeared. They were the first group that came into my head. Could've been The Fortunes, or The Foundations, or anyone. OK, that's what I thought you meant. Makes sense. -- although in the case of The Foundations, if you consider the amount to which Build Me Up Buttercup is overplayed, you'd think they BUILT the Hall.  |
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Post by lora on Apr 26, 2005 14:54:17 GMT -5
Good list - all deserving artists, IMO.
I'm a little surprised about AC/DC as well though.
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Post by Dawn on Apr 28, 2005 7:32:58 GMT -5
Not the strongest of classes, but some worthy artists. I agree with Pete about The Police being the most deserving of the honor, and though I don't know a lot about The Clash, they were definitely influential.
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Post by Wldpuma on May 2, 2005 3:54:04 GMT -5
Hey SAT, Oh Yeah, three of my faves back in the 80's era!  The Clash.......got love their punk style lyrics! Elvis Costello & the Attractions........too many good song lyrics to mention! The Police.......their songs are always favorite at dance clubs/top requests! *** Flashback 80's! ***  |
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Keep on rockin & dancin to the 1980's beats!