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Post by SAT-I need more room!! on Jan 15, 2009 13:18:34 GMT -5
news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090115/music_nm/us_rockandroll;_ylt=AjcIdeYtV_ETy.lrh_MnovRxFb8CI'm surprised no one posted this yesterday. Ok, so Metallica and Run DMC are going to be the two big focus acts. While not a fan of Run DMC or rap in general, I understand that if you include rap, then they need to go in. (Albeit not before Chicago, Moodies, Genesis, Alice....I digress.) And Metallica deserves it. Certainly understand Little Anthony, especially at this point. I was a little surprised at Jeff Beck as a solo artist. I guess it's just to acknowledge his guitar playing as opposed to chart success. Wanda Jackson I understand and DJ & Bill are long overdue. I really don't understand Bobby Womack. I researched him-1 top ten and 4 top 40. This is like Percy Sledge. What sets either of them apart? Or, what sets them apart from other soul singers that doesn't set, say, The Hollies from other Invasion acts? It's almost as if they feel they have to have a certain amount of black artists. Which I can't understand if that's the case since they have Run DMC and Little Anthony going in this year. (And please understand, I'm not making this a "race" issue. The first year, there was more black artists than white, and deservedly so.) Anyway, Bobby Womack before Chicago?? Something's wrong...
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Post by Dawn on Jan 15, 2009 14:28:37 GMT -5
I must say, I was a little disappointed when I heard about this line-up on Yahoo yesterday. Only five artists in the main category, with so many waiting to get in? Although I'm not a fan, I can understand Metallica's getting in, as they've had a lot of influence on rock and metal since the '80s. No argument from me there. I agree Adam, if they're starting to induct rap artists, then Run DMC deserves to be among the first ones. But as you said, seeing them get in before very deserving artists such as Chicago and the Moodies is a tough pill to swallow. I was a bit surprised at first at Little Anthony's getting the nod over some of the other potential finalists like Chic and the Stooges, but I'm fine with them going in. Bobby Womack puzzles me, too. Granted I haven't heard much of his music, but what I have heard isn't all that different from artists like Dobie Gray, Percy Sledge, Clarence Carter, etc. Not that the music isn't good, but I don't see it as distinctive enough for a Hall spot. I'm not all that familiar with Jeff Beck, but I know he's very well regarded in the guitar world. My parents had a Wanda Jackson album when I was a kid, but I can't recall the title. One of these days I might check out her stuff in more depth.
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Post by H2IZCOOL on Jan 15, 2009 15:21:59 GMT -5
Well, let's see. Metallica is definitely deserving. They didn't invent heavy metal, but they certainly defined it. I'm going to celebrate by downloading all of their music I can find for free. ;D Run DMC I have a little more trouble with. I don't think the "Is rap rock and roll?" argument is valid. What is valid is the question "is rap music?". I contend it is not, and have argued that point here several times (including one of my first posts on May 9, 2003) and won't repeat it now. But if you are going to concede that rap goes in, Run DMC is the logical choice. The only problem is, I'm afraid it will open the floodgates and in the next several years you'll see a bunch of unsavory characters being admitted. I am thrilled to see Little Anthony get in. They may have been the most prolific pre-Motown R&B group and developed a style that influenced countless R&B groups over the next 10-15 years at least. Wanda jackson may have been a country singer, but did you ever hear her version of "Let's Have a Party"? It puts Elvis' kinda pathetic 1 1/2 minute version to shame. I'd almost call it a precursor of hard rock, as much as Jerry Lee Lewis' Great Balls of Fire. Jeff Beck - yeah I can see that He had the Yardbirds and then his own group, and is definitely part of the early classic rock influences. Bobby Womack - One word. "Hunh?" Bill Black got in as a sideman, but he lead one of the best rock/soul instrumental groups of the '50s and early '60s, and I've gotta think he influenced some funk artists down the road. I don't really know much about Fontana aside form the fact that he played the drums for Elvis. Oldham? Who 'dat? I thought they were saying Old MAN, and I thought maybe they meant me!
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Post by Ken on Jan 15, 2009 16:23:37 GMT -5
Well, let's see. Metallica is definitely deserving. They didn't invent heavy metal, but they certainly defined it. I'm going to celebrate by downloading all of their music I can find for free. ;D Run DMC I have a little more trouble with. I don't think the "Is rap rock and roll?" argument is valid. What is valid is the question "is rap music?". I contend it is not, and have argued that point here several times (including one of my first posts on May 9, 2003) and won't repeat it now. But if you are going to concede that rap goes in, Run DMC is the logical choice. The only problem is, I'm afraid it will open the floodgates and in the next several years you'll see a bunch of unsavory characters being admitted. I am thrilled to see Little Anthony get in. They may have been the most prolific pre-Motown R&B group and developed a style that influenced countless R&B groups over the next 10-15 years at least. Wanda jackson may have been a country singer, but did you ever hear her version of "Let's Have a Party"? It puts Elvis' kinda pathetic 1 1/2 minute version to shame. I'd almost call it a precursor of hard rock, as much as Jerry Lee Lewis' Great Balls of Fire. Jeff Beck - yeah I can see that He had the Yardbirds and then his own group, and is definitely part of the early classic rock influences. Bobby Womack - One word. "Hunh?" Bill Black got in as a sideman, but he lead one of the best rock/soul instrumental groups of the '50s and early '60s, and I've gotta think he influenced some funk artists down the road. I don't really know much about Fontana aside form the fact that he played the drums for Elvis. Oldham? Who 'dat? I thought they were saying Old MAN, and I thought maybe they meant me! Hi Ed, I'm not 100% positive (I guess I should have checked before posting, but, oh well), but I believe Spooner Oldham is a keyboard player. He was one of the group of session guys who recorded at Muscle Shoals Studios, he has played and recorded with a number of artists including Aretha Franklin and Neil Young. *Update* Yup, I was correct - here is some more info about him. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spooner_Oldham
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Post by Ken on Jan 15, 2009 16:37:31 GMT -5
Hey Adam I'm not a huge fan of Metallica, but there is no question that they have influenced many, so I can see why they were chosen. RUN DMC - I have a real problem with "the Hall" inducting Rap artists. Bobby Womack - I don't really understand this, I mean I believe he was the one who wrote "It's All Over Now" which as we all know was covered by the Stones, and it's a fantastic song, but at the moment I can't think of anything else he did? There is no way he should be in before Chicago, KISS, etc etc. Jeff Beck - I can also see why he was chosen, his solo work and of course his work with the Yardbirds, he was very influential to so many guitarists, Aerosmith's Joe Perry and Jennifer Batton to name a couple. Little Anthony - Kinda cool to see him included, I believe he did a show in Vancouver, last year, I saw a local TV interview that he did. Wanda, Bill and DJ - Yup, they should be in, no question.
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Post by 55dodger on Jan 15, 2009 23:53:15 GMT -5
Yahoo for Jeff Beck. It is about time for him. Long overdue. The same for Little Anthony & the Imperials. Should have been in years ago. Metallica, I've got a coupla of there CDs. Not a huge fan, but I good with this. Run DMC - I own one rap album, by Run DMC. Rap artists will get into the Rockhall, like it or not. Bobby Womack induction I just do not get.
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Post by H2IZCOOL on Jan 16, 2009 10:43:15 GMT -5
Well, let's see. Metallica is definitely deserving. They didn't invent heavy metal, but they certainly defined it. I'm going to celebrate by downloading all of their music I can find for free. ;D Run DMC I have a little more trouble with. I don't think the "Is rap rock and roll?" argument is valid. What is valid is the question "is rap music?". I contend it is not, and have argued that point here several times (including one of my first posts on May 9, 2003) and won't repeat it now. But if you are going to concede that rap goes in, Run DMC is the logical choice. The only problem is, I'm afraid it will open the floodgates and in the next several years you'll see a bunch of unsavory characters being admitted. I am thrilled to see Little Anthony get in. They may have been the most prolific pre-Motown R&B group and developed a style that influenced countless R&B groups over the next 10-15 years at least. Wanda jackson may have been a country singer, but did you ever hear her version of "Let's Have a Party"? It puts Elvis' kinda pathetic 1 1/2 minute version to shame. I'd almost call it a precursor of hard rock, as much as Jerry Lee Lewis' Great Balls of Fire. Jeff Beck - yeah I can see that He had the Yardbirds and then his own group, and is definitely part of the early classic rock influences. Bobby Womack - One word. "Hunh?" Bill Black got in as a sideman, but he lead one of the best rock/soul instrumental groups of the '50s and early '60s, and I've gotta think he influenced some funk artists down the road. I don't really know much about Fontana aside form the fact that he played the drums for Elvis. Oldham? Who 'dat? I thought they were saying Old MAN, and I thought maybe they meant me! Hi Ed, I'm not 100% positive (I guess I should have checked before posting, but, oh well), but I believe Spooner Oldham is a keyboard player. He was one of the group of session guys who recorded at Muscle Shoals Studios, he has played and recorded with a number of artists including Aretha Franklin and Neil Young. *Update* Yup, I was correct - here is some more info about him. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spooner_OldhamThanks, Ken! OK, the man has some very good creds. He can go in the Hall.
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Post by Ken on Jan 16, 2009 14:02:11 GMT -5
Hi Ed, I'm not 100% positive (I guess I should have checked before posting, but, oh well), but I believe Spooner Oldham is a keyboard player. He was one of the group of session guys who recorded at Muscle Shoals Studios, he has played and recorded with a number of artists including Aretha Franklin and Neil Young. *Update* Yup, I was correct - here is some more info about him. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spooner_OldhamThanks, Ken! OK, the man has some very good creds. He can go in the Hall. Hi Ed, No Problem!
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Post by Pete70s on Jan 16, 2009 18:11:18 GMT -5
I love Metallica, but it seems to me they are skipping over a whole generation of metal acts. As far as I know, the only other "metal" band in the HOF is Sabbath. So, what about Priest and Maiden? They influenced Metallica. Instead, they're going straight from Sabbath to thrash... Makes no sense...
Of course, nothing the Hall Of Fame (or Rolling Stone) does makes much sense to me, that's why I don't bother with it!
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Post by dave910 on Jan 20, 2009 0:03:39 GMT -5
I love Metallica, but it seems to me they are skipping over a whole generation of metal acts. As far as I know, the only other "metal" band in the HOF is Sabbath. So, what about Priest and Maiden? They influenced Metallica. Instead, they're going straight from Sabbath to thrash... Makes no sense... Of course, nothing the Hall Of Fame (or Rolling Stone) does makes much sense to me, that's why I don't bother with it! Pete, I'm with you. Like yourself, I am a huge Metallica fan. But I can't fathom why the Hall hasn't yet inducted bands such as Deep Purple, Bad Company or even Blue Cheer. I realize that last band was a mere blip on the radar, but you understand where I'm coming from. Run DMC are deserving, simply because they were one of the first rap bands to help launch the genre of rap. They were also a phenomenal live act. Little Anthony & the Imperials I am not a huge fan of their music, but I respect their talent. Bobby Womack is a good songwriter and folk artist. But if you want to go with folk influences, why not induct Odetta. She a black singer that influenced Bob Dylan. Odetta would have to be inducted postumously, but you get the point. The Hollies had some hits, yet but I never thought they were on the same level as other British Invasion acts such as the Beatles, Rolling Stones, Yardbirds or Dave Clark Five. Perhaps as the Hall of Fame ages or even Jann Wenner, may be trying to be too many things for a mass of music fans. Even VH1 has stopped broadcasting the ceremony on its channel. I realize the HOF can't induct everyone, but if your an artist who was sold millions of albums or singles, shouldn't they at least be considered? Here's a list of some the acts the Hall should induct: Chicago - Great songwriters and one of the most successful American singles acts in chart history! Some of their 80's stuff was a bit cheesy, but I can forgive them on that one. Three Dog Night - I know the band weren't songwriters, yet they had a string of 21 top 40 hits and every album they released went gold! Steppenwolf - I went to see John Kay back in 2006 and the guy still had the vocal chops and stage presence. Besides, Steppenwolf and their sound helped to influence some the more heavier bands of the late 70's. Yes - I realize some critics felt prog bands to be a bit pretentious, yet Yes were brilliant musicians and had great songs that can still be heard today! Genesis - Yet another prog band. In the mid 80's they became more of a top 40 band. But their songs, especially the ones with Phil Collins have a great groove. Journey - Steve Perry's voice and songwriting helped propel the band into super stardom. More than 30 years later, the band can still sell out shows and the songs are still a huge influence on pop culture. "Don't Stop Believin'" was used in the finale for the Sopranos! Foreigner - Lou Gramm had one the great voices of the 70's. They had hits with irresistible hooks. They had a strong presence on both top 40 and album rock radio. Moody Blues - They may not have been the first band to incorporate orchestral instruments in their music. But songs like "Question", "Go Now" and "Your Wildest Dreams" still sound great blaring out of a car radio. Rush - Although I became a fan in the past few years. This Canadian trio have the most gold and platinum albums. Second only to the Beatles & Rolling Stones. Consistently selling out arenas with every new release! I could be here all night, but you probably have some of your own favorites to add.
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Post by Pete70s on Jan 20, 2009 22:19:57 GMT -5
I love Metallica, but it seems to me they are skipping over a whole generation of metal acts. As far as I know, the only other "metal" band in the HOF is Sabbath. So, what about Priest and Maiden? They influenced Metallica. Instead, they're going straight from Sabbath to thrash... Makes no sense... Of course, nothing the Hall Of Fame (or Rolling Stone) does makes much sense to me, that's why I don't bother with it! Pete, I'm with you. Like yourself, I am a huge Metallica fan. But I can't fathom why the Hall hasn't yet inducted bands such as Deep Purple, Bad Company or even Blue Cheer. I realize that last band was a mere blip on the radar, but you understand where I'm coming from. Run DMC are deserving, simply because they were one of the first rap bands to help launch the genre of rap. They were also a phenomenal live act. Little Anthony & the Imperials I am not a huge fan of their music, but I respect their talent. Bobby Womack is a good songwriter and folk artist. But if you want to go with folk influences, why not induct Odetta. She a black singer that influenced Bob Dylan. Odetta would have to be inducted postumously, but you get the point. The Hollies had some hits, yet but I never thought they were on the same level as other British Invasion acts such as the Beatles, Rolling Stones, Yardbirds or Dave Clark Five. Perhaps as the Hall of Fame ages or even Jann Wenner, may be trying to be too many things for a mass of music fans. Even VH1 has stopped broadcasting the ceremony on its channel. I realize the HOF can't induct everyone, but if your an artist who was sold millions of albums or singles, shouldn't they at least be considered? Here's a list of some the acts the Hall should induct: Chicago - Great songwriters and one of the most successful American singles acts in chart history! Some of their 80's stuff was a bit cheesy, but I can forgive them on that one. Three Dog Night - I know the band weren't songwriters, yet they had a string of 21 top 40 hits and every album they released went gold! Steppenwolf - I went to see John Kay back in 2006 and the guy still had the vocal chops and stage presence. Besides, Steppenwolf and their sound helped to influence some the more heavier bands of the late 70's. Yes - I realize some critics felt prog bands to be a bit pretentious, yet Yes were brilliant musicians and had great songs that can still be heard today! Genesis - Yet another prog band. In the mid 80's they became more of a top 40 band. But their songs, especially the ones with Phil Collins have a great groove. Journey - Steve Perry's voice and songwriting helped propel the band into super stardom. More than 30 years later, the band can still sell out shows and the songs are still a huge influence on pop culture. "Don't Stop Believin'" was used in the finale for the Sopranos! Foreigner - Lou Gramm had one the great voices of the 70's. They had hits with irresistible hooks. They had a strong presence on both top 40 and album rock radio. Moody Blues - They may not have been the first band to incorporate orchestral instruments in their music. But songs like "Question", "Go Now" and "Your Wildest Dreams" still sound great blaring out of a car radio. Rush - Although I became a fan in the past few years. This Canadian trio have the most gold and platinum albums. Second only to the Beatles & Rolling Stones. Consistently selling out arenas with every new release! I could be here all night, but you probably have some of your own favorites to add. Dave, The problem with Blue Cheer (other than their being mostly a one-hit wonder), is that only their first and second albums were "heavy". During production of their 3rd album "New! Improved", they became a four-piece, and mellowed their sound considerably. They sounded like any other generic rock band of the time. Not to say it wasn't great music, but the fact that they didn't continue to pursue a heavy sound, as other bands that DID were coming up and passing them by, may have hurt them in the long run. I am actually a really big fan of the Hollies, I like them almost as much as The Beatles. The best harmonies of all the British groups, and one of the best sounding. Genesis would only get in on the strength of the Peter Gabriel stuff, and we all know how the Hall feels about prog.. If selling lots of records makes you a hall of famer, then Journey, Foreigner, and Genesis should get in. But that's not exactly among Rolling Stones top criteria...
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